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Where to Draw the Line: How to Set Healthy Boundaries Every Day by Anne Katherine

This wasn't particularly an epiphany book, but it did find it useful for articulating and reminding me of things I already kind of knew -- though by about halfway through I was less into it.

(I also feel like most/many situations aren't as clear-cut as the examples the author gives, but I recognize that they're intended to provide models.)

I really liked the idea about boundaries as being like cell membranes -- keeping some things out and letting some things in, in a healthy and balanced fashion.

I also really liked the idea that we should structure our lives based on what WE value, not on what other people think we should value.

I found the chapter on Making Amends helpful with its reminder to be really attentive to the harm you have done to the other person and making amends in kind.

One interesting thing: the author talks about nicknaming someone against their express wishes as a boundary violation.

Chapter 7 opens with a story about Jeff and his partner Tony.  Aww, I see what you did there :)

A bunch of the later chapters are excessively heteronormative, though.

The author talks a lot abut gender boundaries (and how these get enacted at a cultural level), but doesn't talk at all about how people are and have been historically marginalized due to being members of other categories (like being non-White in White society, for example).
Oh, and for extra bonus points, the author doesn't use generic pronouns much, but while she does use "they" at least once, she also uses "he" at least once and never "she."

I also really really hated the gratuitous endorsement of, if I'm understanding the author correctly (so points off also for obliqueness), Three Strikes Laws at the end of Chapter 9 ("Today, three or more women must be raped before a rapist loses his hunting privileges," etc.).

The names of people in the case studies include names clearly marked as non-White, which I appreciated.  Though some of the ways the author talks about cultures other than her own felt excessively Othering.

I am almost inarticulate at the fail of the Spiritual Boundaries chapter.  It's well-meaning, but it's seemingly-obliviously rooted in a certain brand of liberal Christianity.
The author's examples of stories about God were all from the Christian Bible, and okay fine that's your tradition, but it comes across rather exclusionary -- plus I disagreed somewhat with her interpretation of Christianity (contrary to the author's statements, God is in fact reported to interfere in free will, see "hardening Pharaoh's heart," for example).
Also, the author consistently refers to God as He :(  I was more okay with the taking for granted of having/valuing a spiritual journey and there being a Most High you are trying to connect with, because I feel like the fact that you are reading the Spiritual Boundaries chapter implies that you are not an atheist -- and at the end of the chapter the author suggests ways to politely tell someone who's trying to convert you to leave you alone, which either work if you're an atheist or can be adjusted slightly to so work.  (I will also note the irony that many of the suggested responses are sarcastic, given that elsewhere in the book the author cautions against sarcasm -- since sarcasm is not conducive to healthy, mutual conversation.)
I also disagree that the statement "My religion is the only true religion" is an inherently boundary-violating statement.  I think you can believe that statement and both articulate and embody it in ways that don't violate people who do not believe in your religion.

Date: 2009-08-09 03:00 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
I don't know that I agree with your last statement, Elizabeth. So typing as I think, but I am familiar with the idea of "My religion is the only true religion" and it seems there's a real line drawn there and either you're on the right side or you're not. Can you give any examples of how to embody that in ways that don't violate people who don't similarly believe?

Date: 2009-08-09 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com
Hmm. On reflection, I think it may be that I'm interpreting the statement as more "My religion is the MOST true religion." I feel like while people do commit to the religion that works best for them/makes the most sense to them, I feel like there is (and I don't think this is a bad thing) often an element of certainty the belief system/religious tradition to which one has committed oneself is The Most True and contains the most/best knowledge of/path to the divine. Does that make any sense? Like, I can believe really strongly that representational democracy is the system of government that best serves the interests of both the individual and the society, but my stating that deeply held belief doesn't necessarily violate people who believe otherwise.

Date: 2009-08-09 03:33 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
*nods nods*

Your non-religous example makes sense to me.

But, according to "my religion is the one (or most) true religion," doesn't that mean the others are wrong, even hellbound?

Date: 2009-08-09 12:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com
While "My religion is the ONLY true religion" can problematically imply that all others are hellbound, I don't think "My religion is the MOST true religion" needs to, since that would presume a cut-off of "Everything that is unique to my religion is also necessary for salvation" -- which admittedly is a claim that many many veins of Christianity make, but which is a claim I'm uncomfortable with.

Date: 2009-08-14 12:29 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
Me too. That's another thing that I'm going to have reconcile for myself as I immerse myself more deeply into Catholicism and Christianity in general.

Date: 2009-08-09 02:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] btvsbonesheroes.livejournal.com
Sounds like a really fascinating read.... :)

one true faith

Date: 2009-08-10 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onwingsofeagles.livejournal.com
As I've gotten older, I've decided that "witnessing" can be taken literally. As in, "This is my faith, and it works for me, and this is why." Thus, bearing witness to your own faith experience. Whether or not your audience is interested in pursuing that faith for themselves is up to them. So I think it IS possible to believe your faith is correct, without making others feel like pond scum. There are many areas where people believe they are correct (political, social policy, health benefits of a particular diet) -- and if I think I'm right, I may think you are wrong, but we can't all be right about everything. If we can respectifully disagree, I think we can learn from one another, and enrich one another. And if people are NOT allowed to believe something, that is in itself a boundary violation -- because really you are saying that a partciular brand of belief is the correct one and if I don't hold that, then I am wrong, and we're right back where we started from.

Re: one true faith

Date: 2009-08-14 12:28 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
This is why Elizabeth is so awesome. Her Mama is so awesome.

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