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Elizabeth (the delinquent, ecumenical) ([personal profile] hermionesviolin) wrote2003-07-03 06:58 pm

It occurs to me that i will be able to vote in the 2004 Presidential election.

(thanks [livejournal.com profile] pallidamors)

This means that after i get back from England i should find out who all the candidates are and look into them.

I'm troubled that Dick Gephardt's website doesn't address his frightening statement that "When I'm President we'll give Executive orders to overcome any wrong thing the Supreme Court does tomorrow or any other day" (Rainbow-Push Rally, June 22, 203). (Eugene Volokh blogged about it and Gephardt's office gave an unsatisfactory response.)

I remember reading about Howard Dean in The Advocate a while back, though i also remember Andrew Sullivan later blogging about not being a fan of him.

And i know a lot of the conservative bloggers dislike John Kerrry.

Can you tell i haven't been paying much attention so far?

Feel free to pimp the candidates of your choice below (and of course throughout your own journal as much as you desire), though we know of course i have to be difficult and investigate every single candidate when i get the chance.

[Edit to add that it just occurred to me that this means i will end up posting about just where i stand on all the issues, because i'll have to go through all the candidates' platforms. Gee, let's see how many people i end up alienating.]
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[personal profile] marginaliana 2003-07-03 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I, for one, will not be alienated by anything you happen to say in your journal, and neither will any of the people worth keeping in contact with.

And I'll also mention that I will probably be voting Libertarian, and if you want the pros of the position, let me know when we get closer to elections and I'll give you my take on the issues.

[identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com 2003-07-04 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I, for one, will not be alienated by anything you happen to say in your journal, and neither will any of the people worth keeping in contact with.

Word.

[identity profile] trijinx.livejournal.com 2003-07-03 05:28 pm (UTC)(link)
You can't alienate me because:

1. From what I've noticed, we're politically similar, and
2. Political beliefs that differ from my own don't necessarily alienate me, unless they're fundamentally intolerant (which I know yours aren't).

That's what bugs me a lot about Smith (and the world in general). There's this incredible conceit that particular parties or platforms are "wrong" or "stupid." That's rarely the case and it frequently indicates an inability to respond with logical debate. Someone should start a non-partisan "Inform Yourself" club at school. Because frankly, I'd rather have people cast informed votes for psycho stuff than ignorant votes for more sensible policies.

[identity profile] zzrg.livejournal.com 2003-07-04 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
There's this incredible conceit that particular parties or platforms are "wrong" or "stupid."

Hmm, that is my problem with most political parties actually and for that matter, most political debating that goes on. For that matter, it is a social problem as well. Given the average American's education, attention span, and interest level; it is much more economical to campaign on the basis that your opponent is stupid, stupid, stupid, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Convictions are holding strongly to your beliefs, not blindly clinging to them.

[identity profile] trijinx.livejournal.com 2003-07-04 01:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed.

I think respect would go a long way on both the street and Capitol Hill. Deciding that one's opponents are stupid jerks promotes partisan rancor, which in turn blocks progress. As fun as it might be to dismiss those you disagree with, saying that however many millions of people are wrong is obviously problematic and untrue. Granted some people blindly cling to their beliefs as you pointed out, but that happens on both sides of the political spectrum; there are morons and geniuses on the left and the right.

Not sure entirely where I'm going with this, just ranting I guess. :-)

[identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com 2003-07-04 05:08 pm (UTC)(link)
*nods* Nothing makes me want to dissociate myself from (and more generally write off) someone like their writing off someone else (and tossing off insults and generalizations). How much better the world would be if people tried to put themselves in other people's places instead of being so dismissive.

[identity profile] trijinx.livejournal.com 2003-07-05 01:21 pm (UTC)(link)
How much better the world would be if people tried to put themselves in other people's places instead of being so dismissive.

Dismissing = easy.
Thinking = hard.

As such, one method is far more popular than the other.

Have fun in England!

[identity profile] zzrg.livejournal.com 2003-07-04 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
You're interesting even when you are not going anywhere in particular. (And you kept reading even after I used 'for that matter" in two consecutive sentences.)

When I said "Convictions are holding strongly to your beliefs, not blindly clinging to them." It was largely in response to the excessively pious, mandate from heaven, attitude shown by all political parties. They make a virtue out of the fact that they will not even consider alternative points of view.

[identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com 2003-07-04 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)
1. From what I've noticed, we're politically similar, and
2. Political beliefs that differ from my own don't necessarily alienate me, unless they're fundamentally intolerant (which I know yours aren't).


Word.

[identity profile] hedy.livejournal.com 2003-07-03 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I like H. Dean, which actually goes against my two-primary-parties-are-evil philosophy. While he's very pro-woman and strongly pro-queer rights (he signed in civil unions), he was vocally against violence on Iraq, which I know you supported (I tried to put that neutrally).

[identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com 2003-07-04 04:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Well just because having only two primary parties is a poor way to go about it doesn't mean everyone who's part of those parties is bad :)