Unfortunately, I've run out of energy for the timebeing.
We've also pretty much exhausted the topic. We've reached lots of "agree to disagree" points and found many "Ooh, this is something interesting to research" topics.
[[ About Jesus as Arrogant -- I remember arguing with the male parental that if you really ARE the Son of God, it isn't arrogant to act like it :) Heh, and you do have a point, though everything I was taught growing up pointed to Jesus being so good that he wasn't ever arrogant as he understandably could have been: something that isn't exactly backed up all the time in the Bible. ]]
Good points all.
Also, of course, there's the fact that such an attitude can rub those of us who aren't believers the wrong way, which is I believe why the issue was brought up in this conversation.
Yeah. I think there's a very fine line separating the acceptable/palatable and the un-acceptable/palatable ways of acting like one is all that and a bag of chips, even if one really is all that. Where Jesus' behavior fits on that continuum is something we both need to do far more research into before we can have a discussion.
It's yet another thing that comes down to whether or not you believe in Jesus-as-God, which was the stopping point for most of Elizabeth and my mini-discussions. Once you get to that point, well, you have to acknowledge your fundamental differences and let be, I think.
As we have established, we are all big fans of realizing when one has reached an agree-to-disagree point, and honoring that. :)
If Jesus hadn't been afraid, his sacrifice just wouldn't have meant as much. It isn't a sacrifice if you don't lose something!
That's a REALLY good point and one that i don't think had ever really occurred to me before.
after all, the very point of the story: that God became human and showed the humans how it was done.
Re: more from elizabeth's mommy
We've also pretty much exhausted the topic. We've reached lots of "agree to disagree" points and found many "Ooh, this is something interesting to research" topics.
[[ About Jesus as Arrogant -- I remember arguing with the male parental that if you really ARE the Son of God, it isn't arrogant to act like it :)
Heh, and you do have a point, though everything I was taught growing up pointed to Jesus being so good that he wasn't ever arrogant as he understandably could have been: something that isn't exactly backed up all the time in the Bible. ]]
Good points all.
Also, of course, there's the fact that such an attitude can rub those of us who aren't believers the wrong way, which is I believe why the issue was brought up in this conversation.
Yeah. I think there's a very fine line separating the acceptable/palatable and the un-acceptable/palatable ways of acting like one is all that and a bag of chips, even if one really is all that. Where Jesus' behavior fits on that continuum is something we both need to do far more research into before we can have a discussion.
It's yet another thing that comes down to whether or not you believe in Jesus-as-God, which was the stopping point for most of Elizabeth and my mini-discussions. Once you get to that point, well, you have to acknowledge your fundamental differences and let be, I think.
As we have established, we are all big fans of realizing when one has reached an agree-to-disagree point, and honoring that. :)
If Jesus hadn't been afraid, his sacrifice just wouldn't have meant as much. It isn't a sacrifice if you don't lose something!
That's a REALLY good point and one that i don't think had ever really occurred to me before.
after all, the very point of the story: that God became human and showed the humans how it was done.
*grins* LOVE you!