Yes! That's something that's come up in my reading of Borg as well and in convo with prehistoric_sea but it's such a hard hard thing for me to let go of or wrap my head around differently.

Ze said something along the lines of, "Belief in the way you mean is really this recent Protestant construct anyway."

and I was all

"True. But apparently it's one that I've internalized. I guess part of me feels like since I can behave ethically independently of any religious structure, if I'm going to church, it has to *mean* something."

I don't know.

I will think more later. :)