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I haven't watched any X-movies since the initial trilogy (in part because I'm not great at actually getting out to see movies -- and also because Michael Fassbender [young!Magneto] is an abuser, and Days of Future Past starred Wolverine instead of Jewish woman Kitty Pryde like the comics arc did).

But X-23 Laura Kinney is not your weapon! I have read none of her comics, but have a fondness for her thanks to [livejournal.com profile] fox1013's Tumblr.

[livejournal.com profile] musesfool had posted: "Logan is getting really good reviews! Comparisons to Unforgiven have been made! Apparently it lives up to the trailers."

Coworker-Mallory hated it because it was way too violent for her, but I really didn't mind the violence. I tend to not do well with on-screen violence because I wince seeing physical pain onscreen, but this felt more cartoonish -- yes, we stabbed people in the head with adamantium claws and decapitated people, but we rarely dwelt on anyone's pain, and almost everyone who died was a bad guy we were in no way rooting for.

Some thoughts:

I was confused by the comment at one point in the film that the kids would be safe once they got across the border to Canada -- because this secret para-military government force is gonna respect international borders, right? That feels like even more of a stretch in this political-historical moment than it normally would.

But I was Googling to see if there have been any publicized plans for future X-movies (I assume we're setting up to do a series of movies with these kids, especially given "And introducing Dafne Keen" in the opening credits) and if these kids map onto characters who already exist in the comics (I recognize the name "Rictor" because Rictor & Shatterstar, but I don't know anything else about that character so couldn't tell if the movie and comics IDs mapped) and found an article (in obnoxious textual slideshow form) including:
Alpha Flight

That's right, it's Canada's premiere super-team of mutants. Alpha Flight was sort of a combination of the X-Men and the Avengers, but covered in maple syrup and always carrying hockey sticks. In short, there's plenty of reason to believe that some adaptation of Alpha Flight was waiting to receive and rescue the kids across the northern border. And because the team has usually been depicted as working as part of the Canadian government, it makes sense that they wouldn't legally be allowed to cross into American territory to rescue the X-23 kids directly. But once they're in Canadian jurisdiction, they'd be able to blast any Reaver stupid enough to follow.

And there's plenty of real-world evidence that Alpha Flight was waiting. For starters, 20th Century Fox has still only barely scratched the surface in terms of the characters it can use to build its comic book cinematic universe: the studio owns the movie rights to pretty much every character associated with the X-Men. That clearly includes Alpha Flight, which debuted as a partial explanation of Wolverine's then-mysterious backstory in X-Men #120, back in 1979. To this point, the franchise has made only very oblique references to Alpha Flight, most notably in an on-screen easter egg in X2: X-Men United. But in February 2017, producer Simon Kinberg told Comicbook.com that there are potential plans to develop an "X-Flight" movie. That's likely either a slip of the tongue, and that he meant to say "Alpha Flight," or the franchise is being changed to brand it closer to the rest of the films in the franchise. Either way, don't be surprised to hear that the follow-up to Logan is the start of an Alpha Flight-related franchise. Unless…

Generation X

We don't know anything about the woman on the other end of the radio during Rictor's chat with whoever was in Canada waiting for the kids. Maybe it was one of the members of Alpha Flight—or maybe it was another famous X-Men character who's long been associated with Wolverine: Jubilee. In the '90s, the Generation X series offered a more modern take on the New Mutants team that had morphed into X-Force by that point. Jubilee, who at times has been kind of an unofficial sidekick for Wolverine in the comics, was a main component of the team, as was the White Queen, Emma Frost. Both characters have been established in the X-Men films in different ways, and the franchise's murky timelines make it entirely possible that the woman could've been either one. While this isn't as fun as the Alpha Flight theory, it's just as possible that the end of Logan could be setting up a possible Generation X film, with a whole batch of young mutants to learn under the instruction of these veteran characters.
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[livejournal.com profile] kindkit commented:
Well, that was somber, wasn't it? When the end credits came, at first I hoped there'd be a post-credit scene with Logan clawing his way out of the grave, but of course after a minute I realized that it would undermine the rest of the movie and ruin all the thematic development. And at heart I love stories about aging and death and grief, even when they rip me into sad little shreds.
I replied:
I was surprised we didn't get a post-credits scene at all (though as a friend of mine pointed out, we got a Deadpool short at the beginning), but thinking about what Kit said about themes of the movie made it sort of make sense to me in a way -- because the post-credit scenes are usually not just teasers for what's coming next but fun/hopeful (even when they're teasing a villain or threat, there's usually an audience feel of, "Oh, I recognize this character/plot, exciting!"), and so the lack of a post-credits scene forces us to dwell for a bit in the death/absence of "our" generation of X-Men and the unknown-ness of what comes next for these kids.
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Kit also said:
What I've always liked about the X-Men movies is their fundamental seriousness, and Logan is about 2/3 quite serious and character-driven story and 1/3 extremely bloody violence. I could've done without quite so many decapitations and impalements, but I guess in a way it underlines the brutality of this world--a world that has for some time been without the X-Men. The movie is also disturbingly resonant with Trump's America, considering the thing must have been written and filmed long before the election. It's not hard to see a certain pointedness in a story about getting a whole bunch of Mexican-born refugee children across the border and then north, north, across another border into Canada. Though the film does make a point of telling us that the kids have been granted legal entry into Canada if they can get there.

I could have lived without seeing a whole black family wiped out as collateral damage to Logan's quest. I can understand the points being made, both about how this family embodied "traditional American values" much more than the racists who wanted to drive them out and about the unfettered corporate power and cruelty that ultimately killed them, but I think those points could have been made without three more dead black people onscreen. On the other hand, we did at least get to know them as people before they were killed, which is a small bit of compensation in storytelling terms, I guess.
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Edit: Cate was concerned that Laura would get adamantium poisoning in ~60yrs (since that's about how long it's been since Project X put the adamantium in Logan), but this article suggests it might not actually be adamantium poisoning at all (though I'm not certain the X-movie PTBs are that thoughtful -- I think it's more likely that they'll just forget about adamantium poisoning by the time Laura's ~60 in movie time, and/or continue their trend of different timelines that don't necessarily share continuity).

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